Venture Everywhere Podcast: Joel Wish with Jenny Fielding
Jenny Fielding, Co-founder and Managing Partner of Everywhere VC, chats with Joel Wish, founder and CEO of Bright Harbor.
In episode 85 of Venture Everywhere, Jenny Fielding, co-founder and Managing Partner of Everywhere Ventures, talks with Joel Wish, founder and CEO of Bright Harbor — a disaster recovery platform helping individuals, companies, and governments navigate life after fires, floods, and hurricanes. Joel shares Bright Harbor’s origin story—driven by the urgent need to guide disaster survivors through complex insurance gaps, financial aid processes, and rebuilding plans. Joel also discusses how Bright Harbor is expanding its partnerships with enterprises and governments to strengthen resilience and accelerate recovery in communities most at risk.
In this episode, you will hear:
Bright Harbor's approach in tackling underinsurance and improving recovery outcomes.
Expanding enterprise and government partnerships to assess risk and boost resilience.
Macro trends fueling demand: more frequent disasters, rising costs, and shrinking insurance coverage.
Strategies for scaling a high-trust, high-stakes service model.
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TRANSCRIPT
00:00:04 VO: Everywhere podcast network.
00:00:14 Jenny Fielding: Hi, and welcome to the Everywhere podcast. We're a global community of founders and operators who've come together to support the next generation of builders. So the premise of the podcast is just that, founders interviewing other founders about the trials and tribulations of building a company. Hope you enjoy the episode.
00:00:33 Jenny: Hello, everyone. Welcome to Venture Everywhere. Today, I am over the moon to have our guest, Joel Wish, who is the founder and CEO of Bright Harbor, which is a company that provides personalized disaster recovery support and is really doing great things in these challenging times. Excited to talk to Joel about all things company building, mission, and other topics I'm sure we'll get into. Welcome, Joel.
00:01:01 Joel: Thank you for having me, Jenny. As always, love talking to you.
00:01:04 Jenny: You are one of the serial entrepreneurs that I know is serial because I've been there for a few of the companies. I'd love to start at the beginning. Talk about how you decided to leave a more corporate standard job and start your first company, and let's have a little bit of the history because it all unfolds into what you're doing now.
00:01:24 Joel: As you know, I used to work at General Electric. So I joined them after I graduated from school. They have a leadership program that is up or out every single year. I was there for five years. I traveled around the world, Up in the Air, movie vibes where I'd go and I'd be there for three months, six months. I think it was like thirty something countries. And truthfully, I was very burnt out.
00:01:46 Joel: I ended up in a hospital in France with a stomach ulcer and a bunch of other things. My health was deteriorating. I was working eighty hours a week. I was definitely looking for something new, but I wasn't sure what that was.
00:01:57 Joel: And at the tail end of that five year period, I got excited about entrepreneurship in general. I had read Startup Nation. My family’s from Israel, and I'm passionate about that as an issue. And I just started thinking, like, what can my life look like if it was just a little different?
00:02:12 Joel: I was starting to get this stance from GE, people who were successful, that they were successful by playing within a very narrow set of rules. Where I was having issues with my reviews were always, where I was playing outside of those things, where I was questioning the wrong person or I was pushing back on the wrong concept. And I just had this thought. I was like, I am not going to be successful here. I need to be somewhere where that's going to allow me to express myself fully, be direct, and take larger risks.
00:02:44 Joel: I ended up recruiting one of the other engineers that worked with me. We weren't sure we were going to build, but we were like, we're going to build something. This is right as Eric Reese's book came out. It was MVP, and we read the book. We're, like, oh, my God. We could just do this. We're just going to throw a bunch of things at the wall. We're going to see what sticks.
00:03:01 Joel: We ended up leaving GE together. We ended up spending three years starting a bunch of different little projects. None of them really stuck, and I ended up wanting to pivot back. Long story, but that was my intro to startups.
00:03:14 Jenny: What would you say was the big takeaway of throwing things at the wall and seeing what sticks to fast forward more to some of the other companies you've built, which have felt very personal to you. I kind of always call you the empath founder. You're always building for you, your community, but it sounds like that's not where things started. It started as, let's do a startup and let's figure out a white space.
00:03:37 Joel: I had a couple of learnings. The first learning was I couldn't really raise money for the first one. We ended up, over the three years we worked on it, having a couple $100,000, random little angels, barely any money. I did everything. I coded the front end of the website. I did all the ads myself. I incorporated myself. We didn't use a lot of lawyers. Really as scrappy as it gets.
00:03:59 Joel: So when people are, like, coming to me with their new idea and they’re a first time founder, I know what they've been in because I did it. I lived it for three years. I know what kind of grind it is.
00:04:09 Joel: Those are one of the reasons I'm so hopeful about startups now because I started a few companies since then and I still have been doing a lot of stuff myself and I'm like wow, it's a lot easier. So many interesting, amazing tools that make this process less frustrating.
00:04:22 Joel: After three years, it wasn't that the company ideas necessarily weren't working. Some of them kind of worked. I just was not passionate about them at all. I was over it. At the end of the three years, a thing that came up was like a roadblock and it was like one roadblock too much. And I was, like, you know what? Forget this. I can't raise money. I don't like this idea. I really am unhappy, and I ended up quitting.
00:04:48 Joel: As you know, I've never quit on any other company, whether it was some of the craziest things that you and I have seen together. I have not quit on my own companies or other people's companies, but I quit. I gave up on it. I was like, this is not worth it.
00:05:01 Joel: That left an indelible mark on the things I choose to do. I know what it's like to do it. I know what life force energy it takes to bring something into the world. If you're going to be two, three, four years into it and grinding, you have to be grinding for a reason. You have to have a passion about something.
00:05:18 Jenny: 100%. Your third company, Simple Health, I'd love to hear just about the origin there because I remember meeting you before that, and you were very passionate about health. You'd had another health episode yourself, and you knew you wanted to build in health. So just talk about you coming to an idea that time around, but being very directed towards it being in a space. A lot of people that are listening are aspiring entrepreneurs, so it's always good to hear what's that process like.
00:05:47 Joel: As you know, I have been working on a couple other companies and advising companies, especially with you. I was very clear that there was a coming time where doctor's office visits weren't going to be required for all types of care. It was just an insight that I had.
00:06:04 Joel: My password used to be, no more office visits. I got incepted this idea. I saw it very clearly. I was like, oh, the future of healthcare is one where it's driven digitally.
00:06:14 Joel: I want to be the person that helps bring that to fruition. I want it for myself. Society would be there for it. People would have more access to healthcare, would be lower cost, higher quality. I just got on that thing. I was like, I am going to build this company, Simple Health, which is a telemedicine company that helped people get medications and did online exams.
00:06:33 Joel: But also I started investing and advising companies that were around that missions. If you look back at my portfolio from like 2015 to 2020, all of them were digital health companies that were in and around that space. Online exams, we had pharmacy technologies, we had blood tests, we had all sorts of things that all were around this ecosystem that I thought was going to be important.
00:06:59 Joel: Funny enough, it's exactly what you're seeing now with my interest in climate. During COVID, I picked up a book about climate change by Bill Gates. I got interested in that problem set, it became very clear to me if we're going to solve climate change, there are a set of technologies that are very important for us not only to slow down climate change or stop it completely, but also to help prepare the society for the amount of climate change that's already happening. That was clear.
00:07:29 Joel: I was like, either we're not going to fix it or we are all going to fix it. I'm optimistic. I think society and people want to save the planet and save themselves. That seems like a foregone conclusion and I want to be involved in all the things around that ecosystem of both preventing and also protecting after it's already happened from a client perspective.
00:07:48 Jenny: It's interesting because I think some people put climate more in the impact space. There's a lot of different facets of climate, but I've always thought of it in the health space. So at Everywhere, we invest in three buckets: money, health, and work. We've done a number of climate deals.
00:08:04 Jenny: When people ask us, we're like, oh, we consider that health. And we're like, yeah. It's not healthcare delivery, but it is the health of the world. We bucket it in there. Do you feel like those things are similar in some ways?
00:08:16 Joel: There's some other funds that are very specific to just that bucket and invest in both healthcare and also for humans and health for the planet. There are certain buckets of things that touch everything.
00:08:28 Joel: Climate change is one of those things that, from an intellectual perspective, is the most interesting thing in the world. It touches every part of society in every single way. It's the foundation core of everything. It's the air we breathe.
00:08:41 Joel: The foundation in finance and society and law, when you started getting into the problems of climate change and you really want to make a difference, you realize that you can't. It's not just a technology issue. Technology needs to work with policy. It needs to work with human psychology. It needs to work with human finance incentives, the laws of physics.
00:09:01 Joel: Intellectually, it's really interesting. I enjoy it. But it's also what makes it so difficult because just like healthcare for humans, you can't just give them a medication. You also need to change their lifestyle and incentives where who's getting paid and why they're getting paid. It all works together. They're very complicated problems.
00:09:17 Jenny: It's so interesting because today, my father sent me an email. He was talking about some of the inventions some of our ancient relatives have had worked on in and adjacent to indoor filtration systems and outdoor filtration systems.
00:09:31 Jenny: He was saying that all the buildings in New York City, including the one I live in now, used to be fueled by coal. And that New York, you couldn't walk around the streets because it was full of soot, and that just went right into people's lungs. So these topics are so intertwined. But I've just always thought of it as health, which is interesting.
00:09:49 Jenny: Tell us what you're up to now. Tell us about Bright Harbor. Tell us about the origin and the mission of the company.
00:09:57 Joel: Bright Harbor helps people to navigate after a natural disaster. We help individuals who've gone through a fire, a flood, or hurricane to understand their options, make large decisions, identify all the opportunities for finding money, and then help them ultimately to navigate the rebuilding or repair process.
00:10:20 Joel: We have a couple of different parts of the business which I think are really interesting. The first part is that we work directly with clients. We have a lot of clients from the LA Fires and increasingly clients from the floods in Texas.
00:10:32 Joel: But we also were starting to work with a lot of companies. which I think is the most interesting component. Because the companies like Sony and others who've worked with helping their clients after something's happened are like, “Hey. We have a lot of clients who live in places like Florida and California. We actually want to invest before something happens and understanding the risks that they have and starting to invest in resilience for our labor force.”
00:10:56 Joel: Same thing for government. Governments come to us and say, counties in Texas, for instance, “Hey. We want to invest in the resilience of our community. We want to understand these things. And when something happens, we want help to manage all these cases, help people get back on their feet faster.”
00:11:12 Jenny: Wait. So even in red states, they're coming to you? I love it.
00:11:16 Joel: Definitely. It's interesting. I think on the federal level, there's this red and the blue thing. Sometimes in state politics, there is a red and blue thing. But when it comes to, like, disaster survivors, you read the media today and you'd be like, oh, it's a red and a blue thing. It's a political thing.
00:11:31 Joel: But on the ground, it's actually not. People just really want to help survivors. I think they slightly disagree on how to help survivors in some situations, but for the most part, people will make sacrifices to help people in their community who've gone through these disasters.
00:11:47 Joel: It's very difficult to be in these communities to see one of your neighbors who's lost their home in a flood and not be moved to tears, moved to actually making sacrifices. I think for people who have not been on the ground in a disaster, it's hard for them to comprehend what it might feel like or look like.
00:12:03 Joel: But just to paint a picture, you can go to a flood in Texas or any other place in America. There's a lot of floods every year. You can walk on a street where one side of the street, completely destroyed by the flood. Flood six feet high. Everything in the house destroyed, mold, all their belongings on the side of the road, literally soaking wet, disgusting, all their stuff.
00:12:25 Joel: Other side of the street, it's a sunny day, flood's gone, rain stopped, person is mowing their lawn. Everything is fine. They're having a barbecue. It's very surreal to see how a natural disaster can just affect one side of a street and not the other.
00:12:41 Jenny: I remember that I lived through hurricane Sandy, I was living in Chelsea. Our building was totally fine. I think we didn't have electric for a couple days, but the building next to us was condemned.
00:12:52 Jenny: Let's talk a little bit about the industry in general, and what are some of the unique challenges or opportunities that you see specifically in the lane that you're working in.
00:13:03 Joel: We're in the middle of a number of macro trends that impact us. The first is that the number of disasters that are happening are increasing. We had $24 billion plus disasters last year, we would have maybe one a year in the ‘80s. We're at 20, 30X number per year, and that number is adjusted for inflation. So we're at a massive increase in the number.
00:13:27 Joel: The severity of them are increasing as well. The amount of energy that's in our atmosphere because of the heat, the temperature is making the storms wetter, making them more intense, and making the fires drier, faster, hotter. So we have more intense and more disasters. That's impacting the insurance markets in a weird way.
00:13:49 Joel: Two things are happening. One, insurance is no longer willing to cover all the risk for property. And so the amount of insurance you're going to get is going to be less. They're just not going to insure 100%. They're going to insure 80% or 70%. Sometimes they're picking areas and they're like, hey, Palisades, we're going to actually leave the market because it's just not insurable for us.
00:14:10 Joel: There's some other extenuating circumstances in that specific situation because of insurance market and regulations and things they must do and the fact they don't have pricing control in some markets. But that's the second one. So if people are getting less insurance.
00:14:23 Joel: Anecdotally, we have hundreds of clients in LA, not a single one of them is fully insured. Every single one of them is going to need money from some other bucket, whether it's savings or a low interest loan or FEMA to cover the gap.
00:14:36 Joel: The third piece is that because inflation is now a part of our economy, the amount that you can get with the money from insurance is less. So you're underinsured and now whatever you need actually costs more.
00:14:49 Joel: And the amount of insurance you get isn't set every single year. It's not like, hey. It's 2025 and my insurance can be like, “Okay. Cost per square foot has gone up, so I'm going to give you more insurance.” No. They set it when they first give you your insurance.
00:15:03 Jenny: That's so interesting. I hadn't thought about that. Building costs right now and just all the building materials are just out of control.
00:15:12 Joel: Especially in LA.
00:15:13 Jenny: But they're still benchmarking that to, like, years ago.
00:15:17 Joel: Yeah. So if you got your insurance in, like, 2015 and you haven't adjusted it because you've just been living your life and you haven't looked at it and you don't have a broker or an agent proactively looking out for your best interest, you probably have your benchmarks per dollar per square foot set to what it was when you first got the insurance.
00:15:34 Joel: We have a lot of clients in LA who are living in multi-million dollar houses that have insurance that's half a million dollars limit, total max they're going to get. And it's going to cost them $1.2, $1.3 to rebuild their home. And so you're in this situation where you need to get additional sources of funding.
00:15:52 Joel: Effectively, that's what we do for our clients is we give them a budget. Here's what insurances are going to give you, here's how much you might or might not get from FEMA, here's the low interest loans, here are grant opportunities for you, here's how to use IRS tax benefits both from prior years and this year. Put together your entire plan, and then help you execute it.
00:16:11 Joel: So each of those buckets from insurance down to FEMA require specialized paperwork and specialized estimates. Every single person is a little different, so we help them navigate those. We give them tools and templates. Dramatically change that so the outcome is for them.
00:16:27 Jenny: I remember when you were going upstate. I was like, “Oh, I'm going to come visit.” You're like, “Well, I might not be here.” And I was like, “Well, what do you mean? You're like, “Well, the chances are there's going to be a disaster somewhere and I have to go.”
00:16:37 Jenny: When you said that to me, that was like a impactful moment because I didn't realize the stats and what you just said of how many disasters there are now compared to the ‘80s and ‘90s. In our mind, we're always like, it seems like there's more of this, but then doesn't every generation say that? And you're saying, no. Actually, it is different.
00:16:58 Joel: There's flooding in 99% of counties in America every single year. Sometimes you just drive through a road that's a little flooded and you're like, “Oh, that was annoying.” But there's flooding. It just wasn't as severe as it is today. It wasn't the situation where you'll have nine inches of rain in twelve hours and it just inundates the entire place.
00:17:18 Joel: The flooding is actually especially bad because flooding is not something that's insured by most commercial insurances. So if you just buy insurance for your house, “Hey. I'm covered.” “Oh, wait a second. Did you get the flood insurance? Oh, because that's not sold by the same insurance. That's not a Progressive thing. You might need to go and get it from the National Flood Insurance Program that's administered by the federal government, which is actually a part of FEMA.” You have all these little gotchas, and it's very, very important.
00:17:45 Jenny: So you might have gotten the hurricane insurance, but you didn't get the flood insurance? Oof.
00:17:49 Joel: That is super common. What you just said happens to a lot of people, especially little old ladies who live in Florida and live on the coast. The equity of their house is the majority of their net worth, and they're just living their life. Maybe they don't even have a mortgage, and they just think they got the cover. Things will be okay. And then these big things happen, and they're really in a bad situation.
00:18:10 Jenny: Can you talk about company scaling in industries where there's lives and communities directly impacted? How do you think about that?
00:18:20 Joel: When I started in entrepreneurship, the sort of Facebook “Move fast and break things” was the prevailing wisdom. In some places, it still is, especially with AI.
00:18:29 Joel: But I've been working in healthcare for a long time and I've been in industries where you're touching people's lives and it actually doesn't work super well. I think people want you to move fast, but they definitely don't want you to break things, especially in a situation where the disaster survivors don't have a lot of shots on goal. If you mess up one of the shots for them, it really is very impactful for their life.
00:18:49 Joel: I feel very grateful that I get to be there for people on the worst day of their life. It's a privilege to work for people like this and to be helpful in the moment of need. I suspect surgeons who work in ER rooms feel very similarly. They're there for someone's worst day.
00:19:05 Joel: It's really hard work, but it's very meaningful. And I actually feel very similarly about what we're doing. You know, I'm on a lot of calls every single week with disaster survivors who are having a really hard time. To hear them come into the situation feeling one way, visibly stressed, and leave the call be like, “Wow. This person actually knows what's happening. They actually know about my situation. They actually have some answers for me,” and see the relief on their face is incredible.
00:19:35 Jenny: I love that. In your experience, what are some misunderstood barriers to making climate tech more accessible to people? It's a little mysterious. A lot of us don't really know how to make tangible impacts, so maybe you can talk about something that you see out there.
00:19:51 Joel: Climate tech is going through a transition right now. Because the current administration and this politicization of so many of the words in our society, there is a shift in how people who care about climate are talking about it. You'll see a lot more people talking about resilience, adaptation versus climate change.
00:20:11 Joel: As I said earlier in this conversation, climate is everything. It is politics. It is energy. It is physics. It's all of these things, and we need everybody. You and I can put our stuff in recycling. You and I can drive an electric vehicle. You and I can turn off lights. We can make investments in companies that are good for the planet. But ultimately, if the person or the 10 people across the street from you or 10 people across the planet from you in China or some other place are not doing any of those things, then it doesn't matter.
00:20:46 Joel: The next phase of impacting climate is we need to bring people together, We need to do that by aligning incentives. Ultimately, it comes down to talking about what people want versus what they need to do.
00:20:57 Joel: There's been this sense that if we talk about all the negative impacts of climate change, people are going to organically change their behavior. I just don't think it's working at all to the point where you could just look on the street in like a literal place like Austin where I live and you'll see plastic trash. They don't even care enough to put things in the trash or not use plastic.
00:21:17 Joel: You have to ultimately have to find things that people are willing to do that help them. So it's less about, like, “Hey. You should stop using plastic water bottles because that's hurting the planet.” More like, “Hey. Plastic leaches into the water. You should use a metal water bottle. It's reusable because it won't poison you.”
00:21:36 Jenny: That's an interesting insight. So in a capitalist society, we're more inclined to help the one than the many. And so if we can think about ways to incentivize people, it will benefit the many. But maybe the incentive, the carrot has to be more individualized. It's dark and sad to think about.
00:21:56 Joel: There's a classic example here in Austin. The company is high flyer called Face Power. It sells battery backup to homes. They have an interesting model. If you look at what they're selling, they're not selling, “Batteries to help the planet.” They're not like, “Solar energy.”
00:22:12 Joel: They're saying, “When there's a blackout, you're going to be protected.” They're selling, “When the price of electricity goes up, you can sell electricity back to the grid and make money. This reduces your cost and increases your resilience.” And so they're selling a benefit versus trying to convince people to do something because it's good for the planet. That's the future. You have to align incentives.
00:22:32 Joel: I'll also point out that's the reason why people like electric cars. People don't like electric cars because they're good for the planet. Virtually no one does. People like they save them money, and for some people, they have better performance.
00:22:45 Jenny: Looking ahead, tell us a little bit about what we should look out for within Bright Harbor. What are some of the goals and future that you are hoping to achieve in the next year or so?
00:22:56 Joel: Bright Harbor is going really hard into helping enterprise and governments to both understand the risks within their people, their employees or residents and then when something goes wrong, to be there for them to help those communities recover. What's really interesting is I've been incredibly surprised by the amount of interest from our corporate and government clients in building back better.
00:23:23 Joel: For them, it's not just about, “Hey. I want to help my people because it's nice to do.” It's like, “No. We want to invest in this so when it happens again, they're not as impacted.” That has been really, like, a huge unlock for us too because it is a way for us to have an impact on the future level of risk, not just the risk that is existing today and actually make a tangible impact on our nation's level of resilience.
00:23:49 Jenny: I love that. What's keeping you up at night these days, Joel?
00:23:52 Joel: Disasters.
00:23:54 Jenny: Disasters and babies. Kind of interlinked.
00:23:57 Joel: Yeah. The six month old twins definitely keep me up at night. But I live in a world where I'm just every single day looking at every single threat. Look at the FEMA credit assessment. I look at the weather, and I'm tracking these storms that no one knows about that have letters and numbers and are not named. Constantly thinking about what's going to happen next.
00:24:17 Joel: And also, how does that impact my life? I'm going upstate with my family for vacation. I want to go to back to Israel and Europe next year. What's going to happen? Just in the middle of hurricane season. Those are the kind of things that I somehow stepped into the situation where I'm going to be, like, on call.
00:24:32 Jenny: You're a storm chaser. I love it.
00:24:34 Joel: Storm chaser.
00:24:35 Jenny: Let's go chase some storms, Joel. Let's get on it. Alright. We're getting towards the end. So what would you say is Joel's superpower? What's the one thing that you are most known for, Joel Wish?
00:24:49 Joel: There's a saying that people have said for a long time where it's like, if you want something done, tell Joel it's not possible. I have to prove them wrong.
00:24:57 Jenny: Is that a chip on your shoulder by chance?
00:25:00 Joel: Less chip on my shoulder. I'm very good at finding solutions to problems and knowing how to prioritize risks. I know some risks that I'm just like, okay. That's okay for me to take that risk for the solution where some people will be like, hey, that risk is too much. We won't do that.
00:25:17 Jenny: You have a high risk tolerance. I always like that about you.
00:25:19 Joel: I think I'm just good at understanding the actual level of risk.
00:25:23 Jenny: Okay. Good to know. What does success look like?
00:25:26 Joel: There are two ways to measure success for what we're doing. The first is… I feel successful now. We've helped hundreds of people and legitimately saved millions of dollars for people and have changed their lives. It's an incredible honor to do that.
00:25:41 Joel: Secondly, for Bright Harbor, it looks like being able to actually make a dent in our society and our country's level of resilience, our ability to bounce back from the disasters that are going to continue to increase.
00:25:54 Jenny: I love it. Alright. Quick speed round. Just couple word answers. A book, a podcast, some type of media that you are enjoying.
00:26:02 Joel: I love the Everywhere podcast. [laugh] No. The Dan Senor podcast when he goes through what's going on in the Middle East is definitely what I'm consuming.
00:26:09 Jenny: If you could live anywhere in the world for one year when the babies are a little bit older, where would you live?
00:26:15 Joel: Costa Rica.
00:26:17 Jenny: Oh, nice. Haven't gotten that one. We've gotten a lot of fun answers over the years. Favorite productivity hack?
00:26:23 Joel: I use this tool called TextExpander, which turns my keyboard into shortcuts. I have a shortcut for everything like responses to cold emails from investors.
00:26:34 Jenny: No short emails back to me?
00:26:36 Joel: No.
00:26:37 Jenny: And where can listeners find you?
00:26:39 Joel: Twitter @joelwish and joel@brightharbor.com.
00:26:43 Jenny: Alright, Joel. I can't believe this has been so quick, so great. You're the best. I feel lucky to be a friend, an investor, and just a superfan. Thanks again for coming on the pod.
00:26:55 Joel: Thank you, Jenny, for having me. It was good to see you.
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